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I see different posters picking different games we'll be losing and of course the possibility for a loss is there at every game. Personally I think some of you are extremely gunshy due to a couple early exits and feel this team is like our last. Point is, it's not. Can we slip, of course but this team has more heart and determination than our last 3 combined. If K can get them in the right mindset, there's not a person here who doesn't realize this team is capable of pulling off a Championship this season. I see some posters saying Elite 8 , or Final Four. Well if this team can get that far, I sure as hell can't write them off there. The closer to the prize, I can see Tyus and Quinn rising. I like our bracket. Duke can beat Iowa State. Duke can beat the Zags. Duke can beat every team in the damn nation when they are playing well. I don't know where we end up. We are as young as they come. But these young kids have really played tough under fire at times. I know I'm going against the grain but I see us in the Final Four. And if we can make it there , well anything is possible. I like the time we've had to plan, heal and visualize. K is working hard right now, I trust him. Go Duke !
 
I'm expecting no less to win our 5th national championship this year and if we don't we move on. OFC
 
Gosh I just wish the games were here already!!! We'll have wait roughly two weeks to find out if we can get to the F4. I think we really have the potential and bracket to do it.

Let's see how the boys rebound to ND. I hope we smoke our first opponent and the second one.
 
I am a little more confident in the team than most times. I am just trying not to be overly confident. Don't want to think about the bitter disappointment of an early exit, so I'll will go with the optimistic approach and believe that good things are to come for our team!
 
every national championship team duke has ever produced is flooded with good upperclassmen so I'm not expecting a title this year. I will be disappointed if we can't at least make it to the elite eight. We have a ton of talent and we might not see this much again for a long while. Let's hope we can make some noise.
 
I've thought all season that this team was the favorite to win this season. We might not be the #1 favorite because of how well UK has been playing this seaso and even though most are writing us off because we only have 8 scholarship players now. I still believe that we are more than capable of winning the title this year. If we play the way that we did during our 12 game win streak before we lost in the ACC semifinals then I don't think there are too many teams that would be capable of beating us.
 
If Grayson hadn't stepped up, I would be less confident that this team could go far, but with his addition and Plumlee being a decent role player, I believe they can make some noise.
 
I'm actually really confident against the better teams and the games we are supposed to win are what have me worried.

This team has been awesome this year against really good competition. They have consistently risen to the occasion....if we get to the Elite 8 I think we become extremely dangerous at that point. These guys really focus against the great teams.

It's the first weekend that has me concerned.....if we don't have a mental let down and play down to our competition this weekend and we get through, then I can see this team going all the way.

I def. think we can take down Kentucky....and K has taken down undefeated before in the tournament. We just have to get there.
 
I think this team has an excellent chance of getting to Indy. I thought that before the ACC Tournament and I'm not letting one half of crappy basketball change my opinion on that. The first half of the semifinals was not who this team is and it's not who they had been leading into that half. Now obviously all it takes is another day where inexplicably they play poorly and they will be done but that's the way it is every year regardless of how much talent or experience you have, that's why the one and done nature of the NCAA Tournament is so brutal. But if this team shows up and plays their game they absolutely can get to the Final Four and even cut down the nets.
 
My feeling is we don't have a Notre Dame in this bracket that can bust the three and drive the lane and get multiple three point opportunities and THEN hit all those free throws. Even if we have a half letdown like we did against them I just don't see a team capable of getting so far ahead we can't catch up. That said upsets happen but I feel we will be favored every game we are in unless we play UK in the ship. I sincerely think we win number 5! As for the guy saying we haven't ever won a ship without a senior led team big flipping whoop? What does that matter?! This isn't 91-92 or 01. Those years there was genuinely good teams besides us that we needed that but now? No we are above most EVERYONE in talent and that's what it takes now with the one and done era. If we ever have a senior les team again ala 2010 we will win it again that way too IMO
 
I agree wholeheartedly. This team has a knack for fighting back when it all seems lost. A couple times it wasn't enough, but a lot of times it was more than enough to overcome the deficit. This team is more than capable of winning a national championship. Will they? I don't know, but I like their chances compared to 99% of the rest of the teams in the tournament.
 
Going only 8 deep is not as big of a deal in the NCAA Tourney as it is in the ACCT because you always get a rest day (or 4). K never plays more than 7-8 in March anyways so this shouldn't be a reason we lose. We lose if don't stay in front of our man and don't hit free throws. Simple as that. If we execute, there is no reason why America shouldn't get what they want: Duke v UK
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Originally posted by HeLooks2MuchLikeDave:
Going only 8 deep is not as big of a deal in the NCAA Tourney as it is in the ACCT because you always get a rest day (or 4). K never plays more than 7-8 in March anyways so this shouldn't be a reason we lose. We lose if don't stay in front of our man and don't hit free throws. Simple as that. If we execute, there is no reason why America shouldn't get what they want: Duke v UK
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That's what I always point out to opposing fans that post comments on posts about Duke on various social media sites. If you look back to Duke's previous 4 titles Coach K really only used a 7-9 man rotation and we won 4 titles so we definitely can win a title this year with only an 8 man rotation
 
Originally posted by DiehardDukeFan4Life:

Originally posted by HeLooks2MuchLikeDave:
Going only 8 deep is not as big of a deal in the NCAA Tourney as it is in the ACCT because you always get a rest day (or 4). K never plays more than 7-8 in March anyways so this shouldn't be a reason we lose. We lose if don't stay in front of our man and don't hit free throws. Simple as that. If we execute, there is no reason why America shouldn't get what they want: Duke v UK
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That's what I always point out to opposing fans that post comments on posts about Duke on various social media sites. If you look back to Duke's previous 4 titles Coach K really only used a 7-9 man rotation and we won 4 titles so we definitely can win a title this year with only an 8 man rotation
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Agree and disagree. 8 is certainly enough if you truly play an 8 man rotation. Here, though, the problem is that we don't truly have an 8 man rotation on many nights -- and instead functionally play a 6 man rotation with Allen / Plumlee getting sporadic minutes. I think that's where depth becomes an issue when you run into the better teams -- particularly considering that (i) we play at a fast pace and (ii) rely heavily on a lot of young players, who are not in good as shape / used to playing tired like older players. While I think it's fine to get 37+ minutes out of a jr. / sr., I think you're inevitably going to have to accept slippage if you play a freshman that many minutes -- b/c a guy like Tyus / Jah are not in good enough condition to play 37 minutes without taking some plays off.

If you look at the 91-92 team, for instance, it had 7 guys who averaged 14+ minutes per, another guy who averaged 10 minutes per. Although both Allen / Plumlee have seen increased time of late in blowouts, the depth problem here is that we effectively only play with 6 against most NCAA caliber teams we play. It's not the end of the world if you have better players / outplay the opposition, but it may create issues when you run into a team that does legitimately play 7-8 guys heavy minutes -- i.e., Kentucky, UVA, Gonzaga, etc.
 
Originally posted by pisgah101:
My feeling is we don't have a Notre Dame in this bracket that can bust the three and drive the lane and get multiple three point opportunities and THEN hit all those free throws. Even if we have a half letdown like we did against them I just don't see a team capable of getting so far ahead we can't catch up. That said upsets happen but I feel we will be favored every game we are in unless we play UK in the ship. I sincerely think we win number 5! As for the guy saying we haven't ever won a ship without a senior led team big flipping whoop? What does that matter?! This isn't 91-92 or 01. Those years there was genuinely good teams besides us that we needed that but now? No we are above most EVERYONE in talent and that's what it takes now with the one and done era. If we ever have a senior les team again ala 2010 we will win it again that way too IMO
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Iowa State. Basically the more athletic ND. Our draw to the elite 8 is pretty good, but then I think we're looking at 50/50 games from thereon out.
 
They may be more athletic but they do not get in the lane the same way ND does, that 3rd ND game was a fluke and wouldn't happen again in 100 times the way it did. This Duke team is the best in our region and IMO the best in the country. If we play like it we win. As for our depth I disagree, we have been playing 8 deep even in close games. Sure there was a couple occasions we haven't but for the most part Grayson and MP3 have played a good amount of minutes lately
 
We smoked ND in Cameron and were within a lucky shot by Grant of beating them in South Bend. We sucked in the first half friday and still had great opportunities to beat them. So yes, ISU may be similar to ND but we can beat them on a neutral court if we play our game.
 
Originally posted by pisgah101:
They may be more athletic but they do not get in the lane the same way ND does, that 3rd ND game was a fluke and wouldn't happen again in 100 times the way it did. This Duke team is the best in our region and IMO the best in the country. If we play like it we win. As for our depth I disagree, we have been playing 8 deep even in close games. Sure there was a couple occasions we haven't but for the most part Grayson and MP3 have played a good amount of minutes lately
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I've read that posted a couple times -- and I don't get that. ISU does certainly drive if you extend your defense and they're a lot quicker / more athletic across the board than ND -- i.e., it will be tougher for us to stay in front of them. Even ND is far more of a 3 pt. shooting time than a driving team on most nights -- but became a driving team b/c we extended our defense to take away the 3. If you watched ISU against KU in the Big 12 championship team, they certainly drove a ton against KU's pressure man.

I agree that the ACC semi had more to do with effort / focus and I think we'd probably beat them if we had a rematch, but I also don't think ND is as dangerous to us as ISU. Niang, in particular, is not someone we're suited to defend well. I think Winslow is our best overall defender for him, but I think Niang can and would beat him up down low -- which may (i) get Winslow in foul trouble; and (ii) if we start doubling, open up 3 pt. shooters / force Okafor to provide help side defense -- which he is pretty spotty at doing. Jefferson, I fear, would get outmuscled inside and struggle to stay with him on the perimeter. I certainly think we could beat ISU, but it's the type of team that we will really struggle to defend and will consistently get decent looks. If ISU is missing, then they're not that scary -- but, even if we're focused / hungry, we probably will need ISU to miss shots they're capable of making and / or we need to shoot lights out on our end to win. Either or both could happen, but I think it's basically a coin flip. Throw in the fact that the expectation / pressure will probably be more on our guys to win -- I think that's the matchup I least want to see.

Gonzaga may be a better overall team than ISU and can beat us, but I like our odds better against a more conventional team that also will be facing a lot of pressure to win for their program.
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There was a let down, absolutely. But do we all forget that the night before we took a very good and dangerous team out behind the woodshed? I know everyone is worried based on some slip ups throughout the year and our recent early exits, but I can't fathom another let down from this team in any game going forward, there is just too much at stake. I think we will see the team that played against NC St. for the rest of the year.
 
I'm somewhere in the middle here, but tend to lean towards aah on most points. To start, the game last friday sucked. It wasn't b/c we lost, but moreso in the way we lost. We lost that game from an effort, non focused attitude, the likes of which i hadn't seen since the Georgia Tech game. If someone comes out and shoots lights out and beats you, so be it, but you can't have an effort like we did for the first 25 min and expect to win, so, the hope here is that this team has gotten that message loud and clear- both through experience and from the staff, leaders.

As for this tourney, we play our best i think there isn't a team we cannot beat in the country when they're at their best, other than UK. For our bracket, i like our set up. I can see how ISU would give us trouble, but, if we play our best game, we'd win that. If we play a good game, and they play their best game, i think it comes down to the wire. The only thing that scares me about our team is our youth and inexperience. It showed friday, i hope it doesn't show again.
 
We play like we did against NC State, and we we're definitely capable of winning the NT. Play like we did against ND in the first half and we're not getting past St. John/S.D. State.
 
There's an old adage that you learn from losses. While I think that's somewhat true, it's only really true if you do, in fact, learn from the loss. And by that I mean take it to heart. We should have been embarrassed with our first half effort the other night. If our guys aren't then I'd be a little worried.

And I also side with aah on one point....and that's that I'm less worried against really good teams than I am against teams we should beat. Teams we should beat scare me....because I do think our young team sometimes lacks the focus necessary. We recovered against VT, GT, St. John's, etc. But we're at the point where there is no tomorrow now. When games start coming down to possessions scary things can and do happen. We've made plays all year in those situations (most of the time), but it only takes one time at this point where you don't and you go home. Every team is in the same boat and I understand that....but we've kind of made a history of doing it in 33 games this season. That's a tad worrisome.
 
Originally posted by dukiejay:
There's an old adage that you learn from losses. While I think that's somewhat true, it's only really true if you do, in fact, learn from the loss. And by that I mean take it to heart. We should have been embarrassed with our first half effort the other night. If our guys aren't then I'd be a little worried.

And I also side with aah on one point....and that's that I'm less worried against really good teams than I am against teams we should beat. Teams we should beat scare me....because I do think our young team sometimes lacks the focus necessary. We recovered against VT, GT, St. John's, etc. But we're at the point where there is no tomorrow now. When games start coming down to possessions scary things can and do happen. We've made plays all year in those situations (most of the time), but it only takes one time at this point where you don't and you go home. Every team is in the same boat and I understand that....but we've kind of made a history of doing it in 33 games this season. That's a tad worrisome.
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I agree with this 100%. We seem to get up for the big games but play down to our opponent in the games we should win.
 
One more point, and then I'll stop....aside from home vs. UNC and on the road vs. VT, it seemed in ACC play that we could tell what kind of game it was going to be 10 minutes in. At home against the Heels we jumped out quick and then relinquished the lead. They're a good team, so I wasn't surprised they made a run. But them going up 10 late wasn't a good thing at all. And at VT we jumped out early to 17-6 or 17-8 lead....we shouldn't have let them back in but we did.

But back to my point, the first 8-10 minutes always seem crucial with this team. For the most part you can tell what kind of game it's going to be. VT, for example, sticking around for a while doesn't trouble me. Teams like that always play up to competition. The fact we were unable to force our will on them and win more comfortably is concerning. Then look at games like against Pitt and Clemson where we took control from the onset and the game was decided by the second or third TV timeout.

I'm cautiously optimistic going into the tournament. There's no doubt we're more than capable to go deep, and by deep I mean to the Final Four and maybe even beyond. But there's still noticeable troubles....and I just don't think there's a miraculous cure after 33 games that all of a sudden changes. So what that leads me to believe is that we are likely to end up in a tight game or games against a team we maybe shouldn't....and that means we need precision execution down the stretch. Like I said, that's been a strong suit of this team, but it only takes one missed shot or turnover in a one or two possession game to change the outcome.
 
Originally posted by Showenuff:
I see different posters picking different games we'll be losing and of course the possibility for a loss is there at every game. Personally I think some of you are extremely gunshy due to a couple early exits and feel this team is like our last. Point is, it's not. Can we slip, of course but this team has more heart and determination than our last 3 combined. If K can get them in the right mindset, there's not a person here who doesn't realize this team is capable of pulling off a Championship this season. I see some posters saying Elite 8 , or Final Four. Well if this team can get that far, I sure as hell can't write them off there. The closer to the prize, I can see Tyus and Quinn rising. I like our bracket. Duke can beat Iowa State. Duke can beat the Zags. Duke can beat every team in the damn nation when they are playing well. I don't know where we end up. We are as young as they come. But these young kids have really played tough under fire at times. I know I'm going against the grain but I see us in the Final Four. And if we can make it there , well anything is possible. I like the time we've had to plan, heal and visualize. K is working hard right now, I trust him. Go Duke !
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I picked Duke over Kentucky, like most of us probably did. I KNOW that this team is perfectly capable of it. Having said that the defense, FT shooting scare the heck out of me. How do you keep Okafor in there at the end of a close game? Will this team play man-to-man (which it can't do) or will it quickly shift to a zone?

My other concern would be what Coach spoke about earlier in the year. This team lets its offense dictate its defense. When its not shooting well, the defense goes in the toilet. It should be the other way around. I'm afraid that if this team has a bad shooting night (like against ND), it will not do the other things necessary to pull out a win.

It would be so sweet to beat Kentucky in the N.C.
 
I would say the overarching problem with this squad is that our youth still really shows sometimes, as we (i) don't always play with consistent effort; and (ii) don't always do the little things well. We've had some really good performances and stretches of really clean play, but we really haven't shown an ability to piece together a number of consistently good performances. Whether it be the 16 turnovers at home against UNC, terrible team FT shooting (particularly with Jah), poor defensive effort, etc. -- the team just does a lot of things that will get you beat in a one-off tourney. Even during our 12 game win streak, those deficiencies have caused us to be badly outplayed in long stretches -- e.g., UVA early in the 2nd half, FSU late, Ga Tech throughout, Syracuse in 1st half, UNC for a 20 minute stretch, VT. It's why we're only ranked 7 or so in Kenpom despite having a number of marquee wins.

Because of that, it's very hard to know what to expect from this group. If we play our A game at the right times, we'll get to the final four and probably get their without much difficulty. However, if those weaknesses start showing up at inopportune times, we'll be in real trouble. IMO, the real question is not will we have a bad stretch where we turn it over, play bad D, miss FTs, etc. -- but will it happen under circumstances where we can recover and against a team that can't fully exploit it.
 
Originally posted by dukiejay:
One more point, and then I'll stop....aside from home vs. UNC and on the road vs. VT, it seemed in ACC play that we could tell what kind of game it was going to be 10 minutes in. At home against the Heels we jumped out quick and then relinquished the lead. They're a good team, so I wasn't surprised they made a run. But them going up 10 late wasn't a good thing at all. And at VT we jumped out early to 17-6 or 17-8 lead....we shouldn't have let them back in but we did.

But back to my point, the first 8-10 minutes always seem crucial with this team. For the most part you can tell what kind of game it's going to be. VT, for example, sticking around for a while doesn't trouble me. Teams like that always play up to competition. The fact we were unable to force our will on them and win more comfortably is concerning. Then look at games like against Pitt and Clemson where we took control from the onset and the game was decided by the second or third TV timeout.

I'm cautiously optimistic going into the tournament. There's no doubt we're more than capable to go deep, and by deep I mean to the Final Four and maybe even beyond. But there's still noticeable troubles....and I just don't think there's a miraculous cure after 33 games that all of a sudden changes. So what that leads me to believe is that we are likely to end up in a tight game or games against a team we maybe shouldn't....and that means we need precision execution down the stretch. Like I said, that's been a strong suit of this team, but it only takes one missed shot or turnover in a one or two possession game to change the outcome.
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St. John's (not ACC -- but during the same timeframe), NC State and UNC on the road were also games where we came out strong, but then basically got outplayed for 15-20 minutes (but were able to recover in 2 of them). IMO, we're not only inconsistent between games, but even within games. As long as we're scoring offensively, the team seems to play well across the board. When the team's not making shots, though, it seems to impact the defense -- even on nights when the defense started okay. I don't think it's a coincidence that most of our most dominant defensive performances came on nights where we were really scoring the ball well (e.g., ND, Wake, NC State first halfs).
 
I seem to agree across the board. The lack of maturity and focus has put us into a lot of dogfights this year. We have been very successful in dogfights, but like mentioned earlier, nothing is guaranteed in a 1 and done tournament and the shots we've had to make to win games earlier in the year are not guaranteed to go in now. It really is frustrating knowing that this team is capable of playing with such dominance, but also capable of playing below their opponents as well. Here's to hoping that our boys are able to see the light at the end of the tunnel and focus enough to string some wins together. I am cautiously optimistic that they can.
 
^Chov, there is no better example of that then Justise. When he plays hard and aggressive the whole game, we usually follow and get it done. We usually show how great of a team we are. When he's not on his game, or not playing hard (like he did the first half of ND) we see the inconsistency and immaturity show. He's that polarizing of a player for us, he's the glue guy, he's the do everything guy. He's quietly the most important guy on our team on both ends.
 
I was born in '91 and have been a Duke diehard since the the late 90's (Really strange since my Dad has been a light UNC fan for decades). There has only been a couple years where I really don't believe Duke has a chance (Definitely '07, and '12 I had a bad feeling). Now I know we can't win the tourney every year, but I go into every March Madness confident Duke can win a title if they play well. I never understand why some of the fans seemingly love to predict when we will lose, usually before the Final Four. I like to think I'm a knowledgable college basketball fan, not just of Duke.


That being said, if you don't think Duke can win this year, you are delusional. This is the best combination of talent, athleticism, and leadership we have had on a team in over a decade. I agree we should've won the ACC Tourney, but that wasn't the primary goal of this team. They knew in the back of their minds that they had more games to play. I hate the freshman excuse because our 3 starters have logged as many minutes this year as some players do throughout their career. I feel so confident in this team in a win or go home situation. Oh yeah, we also have a guy named Coach K on the sideline. These fellas are hungry for a 5th title. It has been the sole goal of the team if you have followed the DBP videos throughout the season. We will bring it this year, and when we get to the finals Kentucky will be just as scared of us as we are them. How can we win it without the confidence of the fan-base? Come on guys! This is the year, we only have so many left with K on the sideline and he will give everything to this team. Here's to number 5!
 
Originally posted by hallside:
That being said, if you don't think Duke can win this year, you are delusional. This is the best combination of talent, athleticism, and leadership we have had on a team in over a decade. I agree we should've won the ACC Tourney, but that wasn't the primary goal of this team. They knew in the back of their minds that they had more games to play. I hate the freshman excuse because our 3 starters have logged as many minutes this year as some players do throughout their career. I feel so confident in this team in a win or go home situation. Oh yeah, we also have a guy named Coach K on the sideline. These fellas are hungry for a 5th title. It has been the sole goal of the team if you have followed the DBP videos throughout the season. We will bring it this year, and when we get to the finals Kentucky will be just as scared of us as we are them. How can we win it without the confidence of the fan-base? Come on guys! This is the year, we only have so many left with K on the sideline and he will give everything to this team. Here's to number 5!
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I don't think many Duke fans out there believe we aren't capable. Of course they could do it. We've seen them string together the most impressive list of wins in the country. But for all of the good this team has displayed there are also areas of concern. And I fully admit that applies to 66 other teams in the tournament too (I'm giving UK a bit of a pass here).

I thought we had as much talent and leadership in 2010 and 2011. I'd even throw 2013 out there too....but when we screwed the pooch in the ACCT against Maryland and drew the #2 seed in Louisville's bracket we knew it was going to be a much taller order. As far as athletically, I don't think this team is a juggernaut by any means. But I get what you're saying.

This team is very, very talented. And it's a different kind of talent than say 2010. That team didn't have NBA talent, but they had a collection of savvy, veterans college players....and two 2,000-point scorers and another who was in the 1900s. It was just a different set of talents than this team....but make no mistake, that 2010, and 2011 team for that matter, was very talented too.

There's a lot to be excited about. And while I might be coming across as not excited that isn't true at all. I'm very excited. But I'm also taking a cautious approach, right or wrong.
 
The Freshmen have talked about the NCAA Tourney all season. "Our goal is the NC." It will be really interesting watching how they step up to the plate. I love them, they are tough. Somebody mentioned Justise and I think that was true, he really does kinda set the tone for us. When he comes out fired up and scores early, we usually kick ass. He comes out flat, we look sad. I hope he realizes it. This is the big one. I'm nervous. Not over an early loss, over the fact that we can really go deep with this team and if we stay on course, wow. I'm betting there is no nerves issue our first game. I bet they come out like a frigging scoring tornado, focused and ready to send a message. I'm so ready.
 
Originally posted by Showenuff:
The Freshmen have talked about the NCAA Tourney all season. "Our goal is the NC." It will be really interesting watching how they step up to the plate. I love them, they are tough. Somebody mentioned Justise and I think that was true, he really does kinda set the tone for us. When he comes out fired up and scores early, we usually kick ass. He comes out flat, we look sad. I hope he realizes it. This is the big one. I'm nervous. Not over an early loss, over the fact that we can really go deep with this team and if we stay on course, wow. I'm betting there is no nerves issue our first game. I bet they come out like a frigging scoring tornado, focused and ready to send a message. I'm so ready.
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I'm not worried about nerves early, but I an worried about nerves if we find ourselves behind in a close game prior to the Elite 8. Even against ND, there were a couple inexplicable decisions by Winslow / Jones not to drive when they had wide open lanes to the rim -- which ultimately resulted in missed 3s. In both cases, I think the pressure of the moment caused them to momentarily hesitate and take the more conservative, safer play (kick for an open 3), then challenge the rim. Particularly with Winslow, it was an out-of-characteristic decision. It's impossible to know, at this stage, how they will respond.
 
What a good thread. Some great comments from everyone.

This team has a lot of strengths - and we know what they are
Solid guard play
Strong inside game
Awesome power forward with a true inside out game
Decent bench
Great coach and staff


The weaknesses
3 freshman
Poor foul shooting
3 sub par games out of 33
Defense suspect

I too worry more about the first two rds than later. Especially like round 2 where we get SDState or st johns. As others have said, this team seems to feed off the offense, so what happens on a poor shooting night? How do we survive? Do we have the discipline to go inside, drive the lane, score the tough baskets? We didn't exactly play smart our last time out. That's got me worried a bit.

I think round 2 will be very tough or has that potential.
 
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