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I know we are still in the middle of a exciting season where we have high Hope's of being in the final four but would love to rosterbate next years team and some what if scenarios. So right now at minimum we will have
Pg- goldwire/roach
SG- steward/o'Connell
SF moore/ baker
PF johnson/ brakefield/ coleman
C Mark William's
If that is the final roster we will have to play some small ball with William's being the only center. If stanley was to come back it just seems like a huge mins issue for us at the 2/3, maybe oconnell would grad transfer. If hurt came back our small ball lineup could be deadly with him at the 5 in situations. But that would also put us with 3 or 4 guys at the 4. I also dont think it's a forgone conclusion that vern will leave. His family has money and the nba isnt begging him to come out since his game is more old school. We be very interesting to see how this year and these decisions turn out
 
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Also of note looking at the latest mock draft I saw which was from NBC sports Vernon carey is the only player on it in the first round. he was in the mid 20s.
 
Vernon is 100% gone IMO. Hurt is the one who I think has a chance of coming back, but I'd still lean heavily towards him leaving. Kinda sucks because he could be one of the best players in the country next year.
Cassius probably gone too because of his age, plus seems like he's playing his way into the end of the first round.
All indications are that Wendell will be back! Some draft boards even have him as a late lottery pick in the 2021 draft.

I'm not too worried about only 1 true center on the roster. It's 2020, everyone just wants to shoot 3's and spread the floor. We aren't exactly loaded inside defensively this year, and zero centers have killed us, there just isn't that many great big-men playing college basketball anymore.
Plus there is always the chance of.....Kuminga!
 
jwill133 said:
Vernon is 100% gone IMO. Hurt is the one who I think has a chance of coming back, but I'd still lean heavily towards him leaving. Kinda sucks because he could be one of the best players in the country next year.
Cassius probably gone too because of his age, plus seems like he's playing his way into the end of the first round.
All indications are that Wendell will be back! Some draft boards even have him as a late lottery pick in the 2021 draft.

I'm not too worried about only 1 true center on the roster. It's 2020, everyone just wants to shoot 3's and spread the floor. We aren't exactly loaded inside defensively this year, and zero centers have killed us, there just isn't that many great big-men playing college basketball anymore.
Plus there is always the chance of.....Kuminga!
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What's the latest update on Kuminga? Reclassify and if not, how are we looking in 2021?
 
Blueline Devil said:
What's the latest update on Kuminga? Reclassify and if not, how are we looking in 2021?
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There has been zero news lately on Kuminga. If I had to guess, he stays in 2021, but I don't think anyone really knows.
Our 2021 class has the chance to be completely stacked. If we get Kuminga, Baldwin, and already have Griffin, that will be the closest thing college basketball has seen to Zion, RJ, and Cam.
 
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jwill133 said:
Vernon is 100% gone IMO. Hurt is the one who I think has a chance of coming back, but I'd still lean heavily towards him leaving. Kinda sucks because he could be one of the best players in the country next year.
Cassius probably gone too because of his age, plus seems like he's playing his way into the end of the first round.
All indications are that Wendell will be back! Some draft boards even have him as a late lottery pick in the 2021 draft.

I'm not too worried about only 1 true center on the roster. It's 2020, everyone just wants to shoot 3's and spread the floor. We aren't exactly loaded inside defensively this year, and zero centers have killed us, there just isn't that many great big-men playing college basketball anymore.
Plus there is always the chance of.....Kuminga!
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This isnt the NBA theres alot of ncaab teams that still play 2 bigs at an elite level. UNC will have 4 very good post players next year and we are one injury away from having all stretch 4s. William's will still be preaty raw next year and 15-20 mins a game will prob be all he needs to play
 
Vernon is 100% gone
Stanley is 98% gone
Tre is 85% gone
Moore is 51% gone
Hurt is 49% gone

I would LOVE for any 2 of the players on that list to return.
 
Buzzooka Joe said:
Vernon is 100% gone
Stanley is 98% gone
Tre is 85% gone
Moore is 51% gone
Hurt is 49% gone

I would LOVE for any 2 of the players on that list to return.
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No way stanley is 98% out the door when hes not even considered a first rounder at this point. I still think he goes most likely. Moore would realy shock me if he left. Trevon Duvall leaving and his current situation should realy be a learning lesson to some of these guys
Tre- 95%
Vern 85%
Stanley 60%
Hurt 50%
Moore 10%
 
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I don't think people are understanding trends and how many more kids leave now than even say 5 years ago. Over 100 early entrants entered the draft last year, that number was under 50 5 years ago. Hence why college basketball is so terrible this year.
There is more money to be made in the G League than there used to be. And on top of that, sometimes it works out better to not get drafted and choose your team rather than getting picked at the end of the 2nd round.

Also...teams can now guarantee 2nd round contracts. See Gary Trent JR. IMO Vernon and Tre are 100% gone. Cassius is 95% gone. Hurt is 75%. Moore is coming back to Durham.
 
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Dukeblue4ever said:
No way stanley is 98% out the door when hes not even considered a first rounder at this point. I still think he goes most likely. Moore would realy shock me if he left. Trevon Duvall leaving and his current situation should realy be a learning lesson to some of these guys
Tre- 95%
Vern 85%
Stanley 60%
Hurt 50%
Moore 10%
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You can’t always go by the mock drafts.. they usually completely leave out a few players that end up going decently high in the draft.. I mean, Frank Jackson was one spot away from being a 1st round pick and Stanley definitely has a little more up-side than Frank..

Stanley is 98% gone in my opinion because he is already 20+ years old.. If he was 18/19, I would say only a 60% chance he goes.. and I honestly would not be surprised if he is drafted before Vernon, considering how little the NBA cares about true centers now.

Vernon is 100% gone.. there’s not even a slight chance he comes back, and I don’t blame him.. his stock cannot get any higher unless he somehow developed a great 3pt shot or becomes a Ben Wallace level paint defender.
 
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jwill133 said:
I don't think people are understanding trends and how many more kids leave now than even say 5 years ago. Over 100 early entrants entered the draft last year, that number was under 50 5 years ago. Hence why college basketball is so terrible this year.
There is more money to be made in the G League than there used to be. And on top of that, sometimes it works out better to not get drafted and choose your team rather than getting picked at the end of the 2nd round.

Also...teams can now guarantee 2nd round contracts. See Gary Trent JR. IMO Vernon and Tre are 100% gone. Cassius is 95% gone. Hurt is 75%. Moore is coming back to Durham.
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That is crazy - 100 early entrants for 60 spots, and that doesn't even include graduating seniors and international players who take up a portion of those.

I agree with the idea that Hurt is really the only one for whom there is still some question. I think Jones, Carey, and Stanley are gone, and Moore is back. Hurt remains to be seen.
 
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jwill133 said:
I don't think people are understanding trends and how many more kids leave now than even say 5 years ago. Over 100 early entrants entered the draft last year, that number was under 50 5 years ago. Hence why college basketball is so terrible this year.
There is more money to be made in the G League than there used to be. And on top of that, sometimes it works out better to not get drafted and choose your team rather than getting picked at the end of the 2nd round.

Also...teams can now guarantee 2nd round contracts. See Gary Trent JR. IMO Vernon and Tre are 100% gone. Cassius is 95% gone. Hurt is 75%. Moore is coming back to Durham.
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^ THIS

Frank Jackson & Gary Trent are exactly why Stanley is nearly 100% gone.. he has a good bit more NBA potential than both of those players.. Gerald Henderson would have been an automatic one & done if he was playing today.. players with that level of athleticism, playing at elite programs, don’t stay 2+ years anymore.. I might would even say Stanley would have went straight to the NBA draft out of high school if that was possible.
 
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I was completely wrong on Tre after last season.....really didn't see any way he was going to come back, but he did. I'm pretty much in the same boat with Hurt. The Hurt family has a plan. I think the plan has always been to be in college one year and then move on.

But I'd agree with whoever said it above....a second year of Hurt would probably result in an All-American kind of season.
 
Dukeblue4ever said:
If hurt and moore came back I think we have another top 5 team potentially preseason no.1
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I could be wrong but I think we have a potential top 5 with just what’s coming in. If Moore or Stanley either one come back, let alone Hurt, I would bet on it
 
Hurt would have alot to play for next year he could take himself from the 2nd round to a lottery pick if he can show more versatility to his game and work on his body and strength
 
DukefanKY said:
I could be wrong but I think we have a potential top 5 with just what’s coming in. If Moore or Stanley either one come back, let alone Hurt, I would bet on it
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I think our defense will be a downgrade next year. Losing tre, javin, jack and stanley will be hard to replace on that end of the floor
 
IMO Carey Jr and Stanley are most likely gone after this season. Moore Jr could decide to come back based on missing so much time because of a broken hand. Hurt could decide to come back to put on some muscle and size before going to the NBA. As for Jones, I think it all depends on how this season turns out. If we win #6 then I think he’ll probably leave but if we don’t win #6 then I think it depends on how much he wants a championship before leaving for the NBA. If he really wants a championship before going to the NBA and we don’t win it this season then there could be a chance that he decides to come back.
 
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If Moore returns, along with our incoming guys, plus Joey, Alex, and Jordan. I think we got one of the best teams.
College basketball is bad this year, it's gonna be just as bad (if not worse) next season. I expect most good programs to be ravaged by early entree's to the draft. On top of that, the 2 best players in the class (Mobley and Cunningham) are going to irrelevant programs (USC and OK State.)

The 2021-2022 team is gonna be K's best remaining team I think (as long as we get the class that most are predicting) but next years team should have as good a chance at a title as any.
 
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It's funny, 20 years ago those guys mentioned above leaving would need at least three years to be drafted (In the second round) four if they wanted to go high in the first. Man the NBA is weaker than a diluted cocktail at a strip club.
 
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Javin? Defensively? Or do you just mean we’re are losing his 5 fouls in 15 minutes per?
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I assume you're somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but I'm happy to see Javin not being that guy anymore. Where he's regressed some this year is not expanding his offense at all. He was never great on that end, but he made the shots he took (albeit around the basket). That's not really the case this year. I think they showed something during the Louisville game where he wasn't that much over 50% for the season....that hurts. Pretty sure last year he was in the mid-to-high 70s.

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Hurt's body is in no way NBA ready
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Nope, he's not. That's not a prerequisite anymore, though.
 
dukiejay said:
I assume you're somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but I'm happy to see Javin not being that guy anymore. Where he's regressed some this year is not expanding his offense at all. He was never great on that end, but he made the shots he took (albeit around the basket). That's not really the case this year. I think they showed something during the Louisville game where he wasn't that much over 50% for the season....that hurts. Pretty sure last year he was in the mid-to-high 70s.



Nope, he's not. That's not a prerequisite anymore, though.
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Understand that,but a Sophmore season and 30 lbs of added muscle would do his draft stock a world of good next year.
 
^ And I'm not saying I disagree with you....but we want him to come back for the sole purpose of helping Duke. His long term development doesn't mean much to us one way or the other.
 
dukiejay said:
^ And I'm not saying I disagree with you....but we want him to come back for the sole purpose of helping Duke. His long term development doesn't mean much to us one way or the other.
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I disagree. The key to adding good muscle is to mix in some liberal arts classes like Cultural Anthropology or a Foreign Language. You end up meeting lots of interesting women and get tons of exercise at night and on weekends. After an extra year of college, his core strength will be insane.
 
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I think Cassius has the most chance of having his stock go up this year.
 
Hurt at 16? That makes no sense to me. Are teams drafting kids that high with a goal of sending them to the GLeague? It’s defiantly a different era and we see kids leave early all the time never to be heard from again. I don’t fault these kids for chasing the money and their dreams but sometimes I just don’t get it. Granted I’m old lol.
 
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