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How does this year's Duke backcourt stack up versus last years Championship backcourt? Obviously, this regular season is not over with so this is just a snapshot (combined) comparison vs. last years stats for UConn's backcourt.

Boatright & Napier PPG - 30.10
Cook & Jones PPG - 26.80

Boatright & Napier FG% - 41
Cook & Jones FG% - 44

Boatright & Napier 3PT FG% - 39
Cook & Jones 3PT FG% - 40

Boatright & Napier REB - 9.34
Cook & Jones REB - 6.92

Boatright & Napier Steals - 3.39
Cook & Jones Steals - 2.42

Boatright & Napier Assists - 8.21
Cook & Jones Assists - 8.23


This post was edited on 2/20 4:38 PM by btmblue
 
Wow. That's an incredible breakdown. It's amazing how similar those numbers are. Thanks for the comparison.
 
Originally posted by btmblue:
How does this year's Duke backcourt stack up versus last years Championship backcourt? Obviously, this regular season is not over with so this is just a snapshot (combined) comparison vs. last years stats for UConn's backcourt.

Boatright & Napier PPG - 30.10
Cook & Jones PPG - 26.80

Boatright & Napier FG% - 41
Cook & Jones FG% - 44

Boatright & Napier 3PT FG% - 39
Cook & Jones 3PT FG% - 40

Boatright & Napier REB - 4.67
Cook & Jones REB - 3.46

Boatright & Napier Steals - 3.39
Cook & Jones Steals - 2.42

Boatright & Napier Assists - 4.12
Cook & Jones Assists - 4.11
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If youre going by just numbers then yea they are pretty comparable. But I don't think its any question that the UCONN combo would be more able to carry a team than Cook and Jones. Napier and Boatright were special. As far as creating offense for themselves and manufacturing points its not as close as the number suggest.

Not taking anything away from our guys. We have at worst a top 5 starting back court in the nation I think
 
Quinn and Tyus have done a great job in recent weeks of carrying the team and creating their own offense. Tyus did it the other night to win us the game.

That UConn team got nothing from the post, it reqlly was all on the backcourt and Daniels.

This post was edited on 2/20 10:13 AM by mo.st.dukie
 
The Uconn duo had a lot more scoring responsibility. I think only Daniels scored in double figures other than those guys. There is a huge difference imo. There was no Winslow or Okafor on that team.
 
Interesting comparison, but I'm not sure how much solace I take from that b/c:

(1) As good as Boatright / Napier played, last year's run was pretty fluky. They were a 7 seed for a reason. After nearly getting knocked out in the first round by St. Joseph's, the team pulled an upset against a familiar big east foe without much size (Nova) and then seemed to gain in confidence and caught lightning in a bottle. The Boatright / Napier that played in the NCAAs was not the same duo that played most of the year.

(2) The big difference between Cook / Jones v. Boatright / Napier is on the defensive end. Boatright / Napier completely dominated the guards of MSU, UF, and Kentucky -- preventing them from getting the ball inside. Teams really had a hard time getting any dribble penetration or running any sets against those two. While Cook / Jones played well defensively against UNC, I still view that as a pretty large area of concern.

(3) College b-ball was pretty down last year. The "dominant" UF team that was, by far, the best team in the country in the regular season had 0 first round draft picks off a senior laden roster -- and the good teams with the most individual talent (Arizona, Kansas, Duke, Michigan) all got knocked out by other teams. I think the top 6-7 teams this year are considerably better than their counterparts last year.
 
Originally posted by btmblue:
How does this year's Duke backcourt stack up versus last years Championship backcourt? Obviously, this regular season is not over with so this is just a snapshot (combined) comparison vs. last years stats for UConn's backcourt.

Boatright & Napier PPG - 30.10
Cook & Jones PPG - 26.80

Boatright & Napier FG% - 41
Cook & Jones FG% - 44

Boatright & Napier 3PT FG% - 39
Cook & Jones 3PT FG% - 40

Boatright & Napier REB - 4.67
Cook & Jones REB - 3.46

Boatright & Napier Steals - 3.39
Cook & Jones Steals - 2.42

Boatright & Napier Assists - 4.12
Cook & Jones Assists - 4.11
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Nice comparison, Btm.
But I noticed right off the bat that some of those stats didn't look right for Cook and Jones (I don't know about Boatright & Napier). The points per game, field goal percentages, and steals are right, but the rebounding and assists are off...by a considerable margin.

Cook & Jones REB are 6.9 per game
Cook & Jones ASSISTS are 8.2 per game with Tyus averaging 5.4 per game

That's quite a big difference. Unless you meant for that to be for each player...but you didn't do that for the other stats, including the steals, so I think it's just a mistake.

I got my stats from Goduke.com.

OFC

This post was edited on 2/20 12:27 PM by OldasdirtDevil

Duke Stats
 
Originally posted by aah555:
Interesting comparison, but I'm not sure how much solace I take from that b/c:

(1) As good as Boatright / Napier played, last year's run was pretty fluky. They were a 7 seed for a reason. After nearly getting knocked out in the first round by St. Joseph's, the team pulled an upset against a familiar big east foe without much size (Nova) and then seemed to gain in confidence and caught lightning in a bottle. The Boatright / Napier that played in the NCAAs was not the same duo that played most of the year.

(2) The big difference between Cook / Jones v. Boatright / Napier is on the defensive end. Boatright / Napier completely dominated the guards of MSU, UF, and Kentucky -- preventing them from getting the ball inside. Teams really had a hard time getting any dribble penetration or running any sets against those two. While Cook / Jones played well defensively against UNC, I still view that as a pretty large area of concern.

(3) College b-ball was pretty down last year. The "dominant" UF team that was, by far, the best team in the country in the regular season had 0 first round draft picks off a senior laden roster -- and the good teams with the most individual talent (Arizona, Kansas, Duke, Michigan) all got knocked out by other teams. I think the top 6-7 teams this year are considerably better than their counterparts last year.
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Boat/Nap played with a chip. I believe Cook/Jones have it, but it must be every game come the NCAA. There was also an autonomy Ollie allowed those guys to have, Coach K is not as generous.
 
Originally posted by aah555:
Interesting comparison, but I'm not sure how much solace I take from that b/c:

(1) As good as Boatright / Napier played, last year's run was pretty fluky. They were a 7 seed for a reason. After nearly getting knocked out in the first round by St. Joseph's, the team pulled an upset against a familiar big east foe without much size (Nova) and then seemed to gain in confidence and caught lightning in a bottle. The Boatright / Napier that played in the NCAAs was not the same duo that played most of the year.

(2) The big difference between Cook / Jones v. Boatright / Napier is on the defensive end. Boatright / Napier completely dominated the guards of MSU, UF, and Kentucky -- preventing them from getting the ball inside. Teams really had a hard time getting any dribble penetration or running any sets against those two. While Cook / Jones played well defensively against UNC, I still view that as a pretty large area of concern.

(3) College b-ball was pretty down last year. The "dominant" UF team that was, by far, the best team in the country in the regular season had 0 first round draft picks off a senior laden roster -- and the good teams with the most individual talent (Arizona, Kansas, Duke, Michigan) all got knocked out by other teams. I think the top 6-7 teams this year are considerably better than their counterparts last year.
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Totally agree. Also agree with Wojoman. Good comparison but B/N were bigger scorers and defensively - as you note, they dominated other guards - no matter what their size was. Their steal numbers tell a big story - not to be underestimated. Especially when they got to the tournament. They were so good that they were dangerous on defense and altered other guard play.

Great point on CBB. Top 8 in RPI are tough and balanced teams. And, really, UK is a cut above with several great players, and incredible defense with length and quickness. They will be an ordeal for anyone.
 
One thing that Bilas pointed out that I noticed as well is that Tyus is playing more of a roll on the boards. Guards that can rebound are a necessity when you want to play with 3, as we sometimes do.

The one play that stuck in my craw from the UNC game was the put-back slam by Tokoto, where Matt Jones just let him run free to the rim. Easier said than done, I know, but Tokoto has one offensive skill: rebounding misses. You can't blow that assignment.
 
The UConn guards have the eve for sure. They had a truly historic run last tournament. They certainly had to carry UConn all the way. I disagree that the Duke guards do not have to carry Duke. Where would this years. Duke team be without Cook and Jones? Especially lately. The scoring, passing and leadership have been off the charts. Not too mention their defense have shown signs of improving as well. (Still a lot of work in that area to go but getting better) I'm going to give the edge to Uconns guys right now because they finished off their great play past year. If Duke does the same I think the topic becomes legit though.
 
Originally posted by denniden:
The UConn guards have the eve for sure. They had a truly historic run last tournament. They certainly had to carry UConn all the way. I disagree that the Duke guards do not have to carry Duke. Where would this years. Duke team be without Cook and Jones? Especially lately. The scoring, passing and leadership have been off the charts. Not too mention their defense have shown signs of improving as well. (Still a lot of work in that area to go but getting better) I'm going to give the edge to Uconns guys right now because they finished off their great play past year. If Duke does the same I think the topic becomes legit though.
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Obviously, guard play matters -- it even matters for Kentucky. But this Duke team wouldn't even be talking about final fours or national titles without Okafor / Winslow in the frontcourt. As great as it was to beat UNC on Wed., reality is that we saw in the second half what life looks like with anything less than a good version of Jahlil. We're not going to win anything of importance without excellent guard play. But, unlike that Uconn team, excellent guard play alone won't even be close to enough. Okafor's going to have to be a dominant force in the paint, and Winslow's going to have to be a lockdown wing defender / strong rebounder / playmaker. The quality of our frontcourt (Okafor / Winslow / Jefferson) is really what sets us apart from most high-level teams.
 
I disagree aaah. If Jones and Cook continue like they have been, they can carry Duke to a title. UConn was not void of other pieces. Daniels was really good on both sides of the ball. Giffey was a knock down shooter. They had a fifth year senior who played really well in the backcourt. There were other pieces as well. If Winslow and Okafor are just average and jones and Cook dominate, I see no reason why they can't go far.
 
Jones would need to shoot the ball a whole lot more, and Cook may need to be the 1st option, neither will happen.
 
Originally posted by denniden:
I disagree aaah. If Jones and Cook continue like they have been, they can carry Duke to a title. UConn was not void of other pieces. Daniels was really good on both sides of the ball. Giffey was a knock down shooter. They had a fifth year senior who played really well in the backcourt. There were other pieces as well. If Winslow and Okafor are just average and jones and Cook dominate, I see no reason why they can't go far.
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UConn didn't have anything even remotely approaching Okafor -- who is by far our best and most important player.

As much as everyone is pumped by our guard play against UNC (a team whose strength is really their frontcourt), reality is that our perimeter has been lit up pretty consistently on the defensive end outside of Cameron -- whether we're talking about Wisconsin's Jackson or Syracuse's Michael G going for career highs against Duke, or Lacy / Turner at State, or Angel Rodriguez at Miami, or Jerian Grant @ ND, R. Jordan / Pointer for St. Johns' pre-zone, Chris Bolden at Tech, or even Brogdon at UVA before we retreated to a zone. No way around it. Our guards cannot dictate the game defensively. If they could, K wouldn't have abandoned 30+ years of man-to-man defense to go zone in the middle of the season and we wouldn't be ranked outside the top 50 in defensive efficiency. Cook's shotmaking has been very impressive, and you have to love Jones's offensive execution in late game situations -- but I really don't see any comparison to the UConn guards. While their offensive games may similar, there is no comparison defensively.
 
Originally posted by OldasdirtDevil:

Originally posted by btmblue:
How does this year's Duke backcourt stack up versus last years Championship backcourt? Obviously, this regular season is not over with so this is just a snapshot (combined) comparison vs. last years stats for UConn's backcourt.

Boatright & Napier PPG - 30.10
Cook & Jones PPG - 26.80

Boatright & Napier FG% - 41
Cook & Jones FG% - 44

Boatright & Napier 3PT FG% - 39
Cook & Jones 3PT FG% - 40

Boatright & Napier REB - 4.67
Cook & Jones REB - 3.46

Boatright & Napier Steals - 3.39
Cook & Jones Steals - 2.42

Boatright & Napier Assists - 4.12
Cook & Jones Assists - 4.11
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Nice comparison, Btm.
But I noticed right off the bat that some of those stats didn't look right for Cook and Jones (I don't know about Boatright & Napier). The points per game, field goal percentages, and steals are right, but the rebounding and assists are off...by a considerable margin.

Cook & Jones REB are 6.9 per game
Cook & Jones ASSISTS are 8.2 per game with Tyus averaging 5.4 per game

That's quite a big difference. Unless you meant for that to be for each player...but you didn't do that for the other stats, including the steals, so I think it's just a mistake.

I got my stats from Goduke.com.

OFC


This post was edited on 2/20 12:27 PM by OldasdirtDevil
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Good catch there. I did accidentally use the average for both players (singularly) for those two stats. I have updated the OP. I used NCAA Div 1.
 
We have a great back court, however, it is too early for these kinds of comparisons in my opinion. Let's see where we are in a month and then we can revisit this. I am always leery of this kind of stuff because I am superstitious as %$^&. I don't like to compare this or that until it it has been accomplished. I know, it is kind of weird, but I just think there is a LONG way to go before we can make these comparisons.
 
If I'm correct Quinn will set a new Duke record for consecutive games with at least one made 3 pointer if he makes at least one 3 pointer in our next 2 games against against Clemson and Virginia Tech. If I'm correct the current record is 37 consecutive games with at lest one made 3 pointer and I believe the record is held by Trajan Langdon but I'm not 100% sure. I tried to find conformation but I couldn't find anything. Maybe someone can find it somewhere to see if I'm correct.

This post was edited on 2/21 2:47 AM by DiehardDukeFan4Life
 
Originally posted by denniden:
If Jones and Cook continue like they have been, they can carry Duke to a title. If Winslow and Okafor are just average and jones and Cook dominate, I see no reason why they can't go far.
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^Denn, I agree 100% with this part of your post. Jones and Cook are the key to winning a National Title this year, because Okafor is going to get his and Justise will be Justise. I really feel that the guards will have to be dominant, and by that I mean like in the Carolina game, Quinn the whole game and Tyus must play the whole game like he did the 2nd half and OT. If they can do that for 6 games, Duke will win the NC!! No waiting until 2nd half to get started, 40 minutes of hell. Tall order!!!
Still a ways to go to get to that point, and we must avoid injuries, but I feel very strongly about this scenario.
Go Duke!!


JC-OFC
 
Quinn named ACC player of the week and Tyus named ACC rookie of the week. It's the first time this season that they've been named player of the week and rookie of the week in the same week.

This post was edited on 2/23 8:19 PM by DiehardDukeFan4Life
 
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