Looks like UNC received their NOA today per twitter, THR, and free board...
UNC Receives Notice of Allegations from NCAA
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Yeah I always love that defense... so K told BI to tell the media that Roy told BI that UNC had received their NOA. Yes, this makes sense.
Their recruiting has been damaged by all this. It will really show in 2016-7.
Starting lineup something like this:
Joel James/Britt
Kenny Williams
Justin Jackson (if going pro, Pinson)
Hicks
Meeks
There won't be much of a bench either unless they land someone good for 2016, and Seventh Woods has really backed off since a few years ago.
Starting lineup something like this:
Joel James/Britt
Kenny Williams
Justin Jackson (if going pro, Pinson)
Hicks
Meeks
There won't be much of a bench either unless they land someone good for 2016, and Seventh Woods has really backed off since a few years ago.
+ Decent chance that Jackson / Meeks may declare. Both are currently projected in the 20-30 range of next year's first round.
http://chapelboro.com/news/unc/chansky-unc-happy-with-notice-of-allegations/
Is anyone surprised (assuming the above is true)? UNCheat**....NCAA isn't going to touch them.
Is anyone surprised (assuming the above is true)? UNCheat**....NCAA isn't going to touch them.
Well just wuptie do. Really what does this mean. How long is this going to drag out. Which lamb will be sacrificed next. It certainly won't be one of the good old boy's club will it. The only way anything substantial will happen if some of the alumni that contributes great amounts of money to the athletic program has the courage . integrity and standards come and say we are through giving money to our university that cheats. We are proud of the way we earned our degrees and not only is this embarrassing to UNC alumni it is a disgrace to every person who earned their grades by going to class, studying, working our way through school, taking out student loans o get our degrees and paying them back for years and the citizens of the state of North Carolina whose taxes go to support this university and keep it going. The scum all of them need to lose their jobs whether they are still working for UNC or worked for UNC during the time of violations who may have a current job that whose decisions not only effect the university he got his degree from of which is UNC but the entire ACC. OFC
I'm not in favor of them punishing current players for something that happened years ago. Have the ban start in 4 years to give recruits a choice. Docking some schollies would be great though.
they should be banned from the post season starting with the upcoming year...im sure most of senior players on the roster took AFAM independent classes though now they have had their transcripts changed once Mccants came out with accusations in 2014
Yep., Hammer 'em NOW. And the current players? They're not innocent. unx is able to recruit top talent with a rep built on cheating. unx has been doing this for 20+ years and that's just what we know about. I'm to believe that after decades of systemic fraud , paper classes , independent study , felons , sleazy booster/alums , players incapable of doing college-level work , cars , agents teaching classes , agents acting as coaches , runners playing on the softball team , runners acting as tutors for players AND the head fball coaches' son ,drugs , weapons , million dollar PR firms , sock-puppetry and peanut butter and pepper balls that unx just decided to stop cheating? Roy had Walden move his guys outta AFAM when the heat came down. Said he was concerned about the "clustering." I'm guessin' he wouldn't have been so concerned if all his guys "clustered" in pre-med courses but I digress. All they did was go from AFAM to another "clustering" situation in COMM. Ask yourselves one question. What has unx done since Fat Marv first tweeted that was anything other than a CYA move? All the talk of "transparency" yet no word from unx today on exactly WHAT is in the NOA. "carolina committment?" "Moving forward?" Seriously. They're still cheating. And if any of these players happened to be innocent? Too bad. Your alma mater lied to you and despite reams of evidence revealing what a cesspool unx is , ya signed anyway. Colateral damage. Cheaters don't get to pick and choose when they begin their sanctions. The kids there now had more than enough info about what might happen at unx and , as I said , they signed anyway. Boo-hoo.
unc basketball’s biggest threat to title hopes could be postseason ban
North carolina is expected to be a prime contender for the 2016 men’s basketball national championship. Some outlets have the Tar Heels ranked No. 1 in their early Top 25s.
But after the school received a Notice of Allegations from the NCAA on Friday, the question becomes this:
Will the Heels even get a postseason chance to show how good they are?
The speed (or lack thereof) with which the wheels of NCAA justice turn could have a profound impact on North carolina’s 2015-16 season – and, by extension, on the college basketball season as a whole. If a postseason ban is a possible penalty in the school’s sprawling academic fraud case, when could it be delivered and administered? In time for next season or not?
As with most things NCAA-related, the answer is complicated. But if North carolina goes through a full extension of the process, the NCAA and school will be on a tight deadline to resolve this early enough in 2016 to affect the Tar Heels’ postseason.
Unless the school self-imposes its own ban first. And wouldn’t that be something in a potential championship season?
For now, though, that’s all conjecture. Here’s what you need to know about the basic NCAA infractions case timetable:
North carolina received its Notice of Allegations on May 22. That starts the clock. Generally speaking, a Committee on Infractions hearing would occur six months from now, which would be sometime in November. Then it’s a matter of time (approximately 60-90 days) before the COI produces a ruling and applies any penalties.
That would be February 2016 at the latest – still in time to rule unc either in or out of next year’s tournament. But there are other factors to consider as we get more specific with the timetable.
As of this writing, we still don’t know what that notice contains, but the fact that enforcement wrapped up its investigation in less than a year from its announced resumption in June 2014 is at least a little bit surprising given the scope of what the unc-commissioned Wainstein Report detailed last fall. The report documented thousands of athletes taking bogus classes over a period of 18 years. But we don’t know yet to what extent the report has been applied to the NCAA’s inquiry.
North carolina has 90 days per NCAA bylaws to file its response to the Notice of Allegations. That puts the due date on that document at Aug. 22, though it could file sooner or ask for an extension.
From there the ball goes back into NCAA enforcement court. It has 60 days, per the NCAA rules manual, to produce an advocacy reply – basically a response to the school’s response to the Notice of Allegations – and a summary of the agreed-upon facts in the case. If the earlier timetable still holds, those documents would be due on Oct. 22.
Then it is time to put the case on the Committee on Infractions hearing docket. There are more COI hearings now than they’re used to be, which helps speed up the process, but there still has to be some advance notice for all parties involved.
And the holidays tend to complicate the process in November and December. If carolina stays off the hearing docket until January, that may clear the Heels’ path to play in the 2016 NCAA tourney.
After the hearing, a Committee on Infractions ruling generally is handed down within 60-90 days. Selection Sunday 2016 is March 13. So the date of that COI hearing – late 2015 vs. early 2016 – could be very important.
The most recent major-infactions, big-program case to work through the NCAA pipeline was Syracuse basketball. The Orange went before the COI at the end of October 2014. The penalties were handed down in early March 2015. That case was similarly broad in scope.
But as we all know, no two NCAA cases are the same. And there are other factors to consider.
What about all the heavy lifting done by the Wainstein Report and previous school-initiated inquiries? Maybe there isn’t as much left for both sides to dissect in the coming months, because it’s already been dissected.
“Given the substantial amount of investigating that’s already gone on, you might be able to move up a hearing to sometime around Thanksgiving,” said Atlanta-based attorney Stu Brown, who has provided counsel in many NCAA infractions cases. “But that would be an unusually quick resolution for a case of this size.”
And what if North carolina plays a little stall ball? This is the school that invented the Four Corners, after all. Any delay tactics – including an appeal of the COI ruling – could be used to the advantage of a program intent on playing in next year’s tournament.
Or this could simply be too big, broad and punitive for unc not to be as painstaking as possible.
“If it’s an issue of concern for the university, this could be a case where the school legitimately takes longer to reply than usual,” Brown said.
Wrapping this whole thing up before March 13, 2016, may take a rush job. And if there is one case that probably should not be rushed in terms of thoroughness and fairness, this would be it. The NCAA already has endured heavy criticism for its initial stance several years ago that the unc academic scandal did not fit its rule book and thus was not being investigated. Once the full scope of the scandal was known last fall, the outcry for NCAA action regarding one of the Ivory Tower programs in college sports intensified.
So there is a lot at stake. For blueblood North carolina basketball, for Hall of Fame coach Roy Williams, for a team that may be talented enough to win the school’s first national title since 2009, for the other teams aspiring to win a title – and for the NCAA itself.
https://sports.yahoo.com/news/unc-b...-hopes-could-be-postseason-ban-201709873.html
North carolina is expected to be a prime contender for the 2016 men’s basketball national championship. Some outlets have the Tar Heels ranked No. 1 in their early Top 25s.
But after the school received a Notice of Allegations from the NCAA on Friday, the question becomes this:
Will the Heels even get a postseason chance to show how good they are?
The speed (or lack thereof) with which the wheels of NCAA justice turn could have a profound impact on North carolina’s 2015-16 season – and, by extension, on the college basketball season as a whole. If a postseason ban is a possible penalty in the school’s sprawling academic fraud case, when could it be delivered and administered? In time for next season or not?
As with most things NCAA-related, the answer is complicated. But if North carolina goes through a full extension of the process, the NCAA and school will be on a tight deadline to resolve this early enough in 2016 to affect the Tar Heels’ postseason.
Unless the school self-imposes its own ban first. And wouldn’t that be something in a potential championship season?
For now, though, that’s all conjecture. Here’s what you need to know about the basic NCAA infractions case timetable:
North carolina received its Notice of Allegations on May 22. That starts the clock. Generally speaking, a Committee on Infractions hearing would occur six months from now, which would be sometime in November. Then it’s a matter of time (approximately 60-90 days) before the COI produces a ruling and applies any penalties.
That would be February 2016 at the latest – still in time to rule unc either in or out of next year’s tournament. But there are other factors to consider as we get more specific with the timetable.
As of this writing, we still don’t know what that notice contains, but the fact that enforcement wrapped up its investigation in less than a year from its announced resumption in June 2014 is at least a little bit surprising given the scope of what the unc-commissioned Wainstein Report detailed last fall. The report documented thousands of athletes taking bogus classes over a period of 18 years. But we don’t know yet to what extent the report has been applied to the NCAA’s inquiry.
North carolina has 90 days per NCAA bylaws to file its response to the Notice of Allegations. That puts the due date on that document at Aug. 22, though it could file sooner or ask for an extension.
From there the ball goes back into NCAA enforcement court. It has 60 days, per the NCAA rules manual, to produce an advocacy reply – basically a response to the school’s response to the Notice of Allegations – and a summary of the agreed-upon facts in the case. If the earlier timetable still holds, those documents would be due on Oct. 22.
Then it is time to put the case on the Committee on Infractions hearing docket. There are more COI hearings now than they’re used to be, which helps speed up the process, but there still has to be some advance notice for all parties involved.
And the holidays tend to complicate the process in November and December. If carolina stays off the hearing docket until January, that may clear the Heels’ path to play in the 2016 NCAA tourney.
After the hearing, a Committee on Infractions ruling generally is handed down within 60-90 days. Selection Sunday 2016 is March 13. So the date of that COI hearing – late 2015 vs. early 2016 – could be very important.
The most recent major-infactions, big-program case to work through the NCAA pipeline was Syracuse basketball. The Orange went before the COI at the end of October 2014. The penalties were handed down in early March 2015. That case was similarly broad in scope.
But as we all know, no two NCAA cases are the same. And there are other factors to consider.
What about all the heavy lifting done by the Wainstein Report and previous school-initiated inquiries? Maybe there isn’t as much left for both sides to dissect in the coming months, because it’s already been dissected.
“Given the substantial amount of investigating that’s already gone on, you might be able to move up a hearing to sometime around Thanksgiving,” said Atlanta-based attorney Stu Brown, who has provided counsel in many NCAA infractions cases. “But that would be an unusually quick resolution for a case of this size.”
And what if North carolina plays a little stall ball? This is the school that invented the Four Corners, after all. Any delay tactics – including an appeal of the COI ruling – could be used to the advantage of a program intent on playing in next year’s tournament.
Or this could simply be too big, broad and punitive for unc not to be as painstaking as possible.
“If it’s an issue of concern for the university, this could be a case where the school legitimately takes longer to reply than usual,” Brown said.
Wrapping this whole thing up before March 13, 2016, may take a rush job. And if there is one case that probably should not be rushed in terms of thoroughness and fairness, this would be it. The NCAA already has endured heavy criticism for its initial stance several years ago that the unc academic scandal did not fit its rule book and thus was not being investigated. Once the full scope of the scandal was known last fall, the outcry for NCAA action regarding one of the Ivory Tower programs in college sports intensified.
So there is a lot at stake. For blueblood North carolina basketball, for Hall of Fame coach Roy Williams, for a team that may be talented enough to win the school’s first national title since 2009, for the other teams aspiring to win a title – and for the NCAA itself.
https://sports.yahoo.com/news/unc-b...-hopes-could-be-postseason-ban-201709873.html
Notice of allegations is only the beginning for unc
Speaking recently at his own induction into the Western North carolina Hall of Fame, Roy Williams said what a lot of people have been thinking: "It would help if the NCAA would tell us what the allegations are," the North carolina coach told the Asheville Citizen Times.
Careful what you wish for there, coach.
The charges officially arrived on Friday, when the school acknowledged what was first reported by Inside carolina -- that the NCAA indeed had filed its notice of allegations in regards to the extensive academic fraud at the school.
The national headquarters and school might have won the day, dropping the news at noon on the Friday of a busy holiday weekend, but this is not, as Williams might hope, the end of what already has been a sordid news cycle.
It is only the beginning.
The notice of allegations is only the first in a series of steps that will ultimately culminate with the NCAA rendering its decision and any punishment it chooses to mete out. And because the wheels of NCAA justice tend to move slower than a four-corner offense, the real end might not come until long after the Tar Heels tip off their season.
Up until now, as bad as the protracted investigation into the African and Afro-American paper class scandal has been, the sacred cow -- the basketball program -- has not yet been touched. The football team lost scholarships, vacated wins and missed a postseason after the NCAA's initial investigation in 2012. And employees were fired after former federal prosecutor Kenneth Wainstein filed his report in October.
But the basketball program has gone unscathed -- dinged by innuendo, certainly -- but not officially punished.
And now, as the Heels are set to embark on what could be their most promising season since the 2009 national championship, they will do so with this cloud looming.
And it's not a carolina blue cloud; it's a storm cloud shaped something like a hammer about to drop.
But the Heels aren't the only ones under the weight of what's brewing overhead; the NCAA is, too.
Though the people in Indianapolis would never admit to feeling, let alone caving to, public pressure, there is no denying the organization has its feet to the fire over this as much as North carolina does.
unc is not a rogue program; it has been viewed as one of college athletics' shining lights, a school that purportedly did things so properly it had its own slogan to define it: The carolina Way.
This is not about punishing UNLV in the 1990s, or Miami or even Syracuse.
Yet the magnitude of the allegations is wildly egregious and pertains to the last sliver of integrity that college sports has left to cling to. Amateurism has been exposed as a complete sham, and while academic integrity may sound like an oxymoron and does not necessarily extend to the goal of graduation, there is still the generic hope that college athletes are at least trying to do some work.
On paper, at least, the paper class scandal would seem to merit a hefty rebuke from the NCAA.
The NCAA's Committee on Infractions (COI) delivered a pretty large blow to Syracuse in March, damaging coach Jim Boeheim's Hall of Fame reputation with a suspension and vacating wins from his resume. The school, too, was denied a postseason bid, though the Orange weren't necessarily destined for the postseason, anyway.
carolina is different. The Tar Heels don't just have their eyes on the NCAA tournament; they're capable of playing in the last weekend of the tourney.
The way these things work, the school first will be able to respond to the notice of allegations and, eventually, a hearing will be scheduled with the COI.
The COI meets every other month, and the odds of carolina appearing before the end of the summer would seem slim at best.
That puts unc looking at a potential fall hearing at the earliest. On its website, the NCAA says it "typically takes from eight to 12 weeks to write the report and announce penalties," but considering the glacial pace that the group has functioned under lately -- Syracuse met with the COI on Halloween 2014 and learned of its penalties on March 6 -- typical has been relatively atypical of late.
So all of that -- the charges, the what-ifs and eventually the decisions -- will almost assuredly hang over this season.
In October, at ACC media day, Williams admitted the entire investigation had taken a toll on him personally, that he worried if it would smear his reputation and his legacy. Last week, he said he believes it has done a number on the Tar Heels' recruiting as well.
Alas, if the coach thinks the season will be an escape from it all, he's likely mistaken.
This is not the end for North carolina.
It's only the beginning.
http://espn.go.com/blog/north-carol...-of-allegations-is-only-the-beginning-for-unc
Speaking recently at his own induction into the Western North carolina Hall of Fame, Roy Williams said what a lot of people have been thinking: "It would help if the NCAA would tell us what the allegations are," the North carolina coach told the Asheville Citizen Times.
Careful what you wish for there, coach.
The charges officially arrived on Friday, when the school acknowledged what was first reported by Inside carolina -- that the NCAA indeed had filed its notice of allegations in regards to the extensive academic fraud at the school.
The national headquarters and school might have won the day, dropping the news at noon on the Friday of a busy holiday weekend, but this is not, as Williams might hope, the end of what already has been a sordid news cycle.
It is only the beginning.
The notice of allegations is only the first in a series of steps that will ultimately culminate with the NCAA rendering its decision and any punishment it chooses to mete out. And because the wheels of NCAA justice tend to move slower than a four-corner offense, the real end might not come until long after the Tar Heels tip off their season.
Up until now, as bad as the protracted investigation into the African and Afro-American paper class scandal has been, the sacred cow -- the basketball program -- has not yet been touched. The football team lost scholarships, vacated wins and missed a postseason after the NCAA's initial investigation in 2012. And employees were fired after former federal prosecutor Kenneth Wainstein filed his report in October.
But the basketball program has gone unscathed -- dinged by innuendo, certainly -- but not officially punished.
And now, as the Heels are set to embark on what could be their most promising season since the 2009 national championship, they will do so with this cloud looming.
And it's not a carolina blue cloud; it's a storm cloud shaped something like a hammer about to drop.
But the Heels aren't the only ones under the weight of what's brewing overhead; the NCAA is, too.
Though the people in Indianapolis would never admit to feeling, let alone caving to, public pressure, there is no denying the organization has its feet to the fire over this as much as North carolina does.
unc is not a rogue program; it has been viewed as one of college athletics' shining lights, a school that purportedly did things so properly it had its own slogan to define it: The carolina Way.
This is not about punishing UNLV in the 1990s, or Miami or even Syracuse.
Yet the magnitude of the allegations is wildly egregious and pertains to the last sliver of integrity that college sports has left to cling to. Amateurism has been exposed as a complete sham, and while academic integrity may sound like an oxymoron and does not necessarily extend to the goal of graduation, there is still the generic hope that college athletes are at least trying to do some work.
On paper, at least, the paper class scandal would seem to merit a hefty rebuke from the NCAA.
The NCAA's Committee on Infractions (COI) delivered a pretty large blow to Syracuse in March, damaging coach Jim Boeheim's Hall of Fame reputation with a suspension and vacating wins from his resume. The school, too, was denied a postseason bid, though the Orange weren't necessarily destined for the postseason, anyway.
carolina is different. The Tar Heels don't just have their eyes on the NCAA tournament; they're capable of playing in the last weekend of the tourney.
The way these things work, the school first will be able to respond to the notice of allegations and, eventually, a hearing will be scheduled with the COI.
The COI meets every other month, and the odds of carolina appearing before the end of the summer would seem slim at best.
That puts unc looking at a potential fall hearing at the earliest. On its website, the NCAA says it "typically takes from eight to 12 weeks to write the report and announce penalties," but considering the glacial pace that the group has functioned under lately -- Syracuse met with the COI on Halloween 2014 and learned of its penalties on March 6 -- typical has been relatively atypical of late.
So all of that -- the charges, the what-ifs and eventually the decisions -- will almost assuredly hang over this season.
In October, at ACC media day, Williams admitted the entire investigation had taken a toll on him personally, that he worried if it would smear his reputation and his legacy. Last week, he said he believes it has done a number on the Tar Heels' recruiting as well.
Alas, if the coach thinks the season will be an escape from it all, he's likely mistaken.
This is not the end for North carolina.
It's only the beginning.
http://espn.go.com/blog/north-carol...-of-allegations-is-only-the-beginning-for-unc
The Cuse takes notice...
North carolina receives notice of allegations from NCAA in academic fraud case (report)
The case holds significant interest for Syracuse fans because SU's case with the NCAA also involved academic fraud and there is a perception among many that the NCAA handled the case differently at the two schools.
While Syracuse's process with the NCAA lasted eight years and the issues were deemed to be "in the NCAA's wheelhouse," the organization initially washed its hands of the unc case, judging that its academic fraud issues involved the entire school and not just athletes.
Unlike Syracuse, where the academic improprieties were limited largely to either one or four basketball players (depending on whether you believe Syracuse or the NCAA), North carolina's includes academic fraud that spanned 18 years and benefited a huge number of athletes.
Syracuse, and men's basketball coach Jim Boeheim, were punished significantly for violations at SU, and both have said they intend to appeal the "unduly harsh" sanctions, which included scholarship losses, vacated wins, a suspension for Boeheim and other penalties.
Orange fans will be watching, and judging, the NCAA's handling of North carolina closely.
http://www.syracuse.com/sports/inde...legations_from_ncaa_according_to_reports.html
North carolina receives notice of allegations from NCAA in academic fraud case (report)
The case holds significant interest for Syracuse fans because SU's case with the NCAA also involved academic fraud and there is a perception among many that the NCAA handled the case differently at the two schools.
While Syracuse's process with the NCAA lasted eight years and the issues were deemed to be "in the NCAA's wheelhouse," the organization initially washed its hands of the unc case, judging that its academic fraud issues involved the entire school and not just athletes.
Unlike Syracuse, where the academic improprieties were limited largely to either one or four basketball players (depending on whether you believe Syracuse or the NCAA), North carolina's includes academic fraud that spanned 18 years and benefited a huge number of athletes.
Syracuse, and men's basketball coach Jim Boeheim, were punished significantly for violations at SU, and both have said they intend to appeal the "unduly harsh" sanctions, which included scholarship losses, vacated wins, a suspension for Boeheim and other penalties.
Orange fans will be watching, and judging, the NCAA's handling of North carolina closely.
http://www.syracuse.com/sports/inde...legations_from_ncaa_according_to_reports.html
unc allegations will offer window into NCAA’s worldview
Since North carolina is going to spend its holiday weekend sitting by the pool and redacting names from the Notice of Allegations it received from the NCAA on Friday, all we know about what’s in the letter is that it’s “lengthy.”
As well it should be.
After years of investigation – by the NCAA, by The News & Observer and, finally, by the university itself – everyone has a pretty good idea of what’s going to be in there: the final reckoning for 18 years of academic fraud that included athletes from all over the athletic department.
And no matter what’s in there, a scandal that in less than a month will turn 5 years old finally has an end in sight. The university has 90 days to respond to the NCAA, and budget for nine months or so of wrangling with the Committee on Infractions, but by this time next year, there’s a pretty good chance whatever sanctions the NCAA hands down will be finalized, or close to it.
What no one knows, and what the notice will finally reveal, is how the NCAA feels about all this.
That may be the biggest mystery left, because lately the NCAA has been trying to carve out as much wiggle room as possible, in part because it has been dragged into court over this very issue.
In a filing responding to a lawsuit filed by former North carolina athletes that alleges the university was in breach of contract by failing to provide athletes a legitimate education, and that the NCAA was negligent in its oversight, the NCAA argued that it had no responsibility for the “quality of education” athletes received.
At the Final Four in Indianapolis, NCAA President Mark Emmert elaborated on the court filing, saying “the academic quality of what’s transpiring in a classroom … is not a role an association should be playing,” putting that responsibility on individual institutions.
“It’s ultimately up to universities to determine whether or not the courses for which they’re giving credit, the degrees for which they’re passing out diplomas, live up to the academic standards of higher education,” Emmert said.
But Emmert also noted that the NCAA’s member schools had taken a stand against “impermissible benefits around academics,” that athletes should not be treated any differently from other students. In that respect, fake classes are no different than agents paying assistant coaches or tutors writing papers or players taking gifts. North carolina was previously punished for all of that.
The NCAA will put what happened at North carolina falls into one of two categories: It’s either shoddy curriculum, which isn’t – and shouldn’t – be under the NCAA’s purview, or it’s academic fraud perpetrated for the benefit of athletes.
If the NCAA still wants to be taken seriously, at least as much as it can be, it has to be the latter.
The university, in the wake of the Wainstein report, finally dismissed the ludicrous conclusions of the Martin report that “this was not an athletic scandal.” Of course it was. The fact that a student-non-athlete or two found his or her way into a paper class now and then did not take away from the reason why this fraud ran so deep and lived so long.
The entire goal was to keep athletes, many of them admitted despite being unable to meet the same academic standards as their peers, eligible under university and NCAA guidelines. The entire goal was to make North carolina’s athletic teams as competitive as possible by sidestepping academic constraints.
No one wants the NCAA telling universities how to teach classes. But the NCAA absolutely should be telling universities not to put its athletes in fake classes.
The Notice of Allegations that North carolina now has in hand will reveal just how serious the NCAA is about that responsibility.
http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/luke-decock/article21701703.html
Since North carolina is going to spend its holiday weekend sitting by the pool and redacting names from the Notice of Allegations it received from the NCAA on Friday, all we know about what’s in the letter is that it’s “lengthy.”
As well it should be.
After years of investigation – by the NCAA, by The News & Observer and, finally, by the university itself – everyone has a pretty good idea of what’s going to be in there: the final reckoning for 18 years of academic fraud that included athletes from all over the athletic department.
And no matter what’s in there, a scandal that in less than a month will turn 5 years old finally has an end in sight. The university has 90 days to respond to the NCAA, and budget for nine months or so of wrangling with the Committee on Infractions, but by this time next year, there’s a pretty good chance whatever sanctions the NCAA hands down will be finalized, or close to it.
What no one knows, and what the notice will finally reveal, is how the NCAA feels about all this.
That may be the biggest mystery left, because lately the NCAA has been trying to carve out as much wiggle room as possible, in part because it has been dragged into court over this very issue.
In a filing responding to a lawsuit filed by former North carolina athletes that alleges the university was in breach of contract by failing to provide athletes a legitimate education, and that the NCAA was negligent in its oversight, the NCAA argued that it had no responsibility for the “quality of education” athletes received.
At the Final Four in Indianapolis, NCAA President Mark Emmert elaborated on the court filing, saying “the academic quality of what’s transpiring in a classroom … is not a role an association should be playing,” putting that responsibility on individual institutions.
“It’s ultimately up to universities to determine whether or not the courses for which they’re giving credit, the degrees for which they’re passing out diplomas, live up to the academic standards of higher education,” Emmert said.
But Emmert also noted that the NCAA’s member schools had taken a stand against “impermissible benefits around academics,” that athletes should not be treated any differently from other students. In that respect, fake classes are no different than agents paying assistant coaches or tutors writing papers or players taking gifts. North carolina was previously punished for all of that.
The NCAA will put what happened at North carolina falls into one of two categories: It’s either shoddy curriculum, which isn’t – and shouldn’t – be under the NCAA’s purview, or it’s academic fraud perpetrated for the benefit of athletes.
If the NCAA still wants to be taken seriously, at least as much as it can be, it has to be the latter.
The university, in the wake of the Wainstein report, finally dismissed the ludicrous conclusions of the Martin report that “this was not an athletic scandal.” Of course it was. The fact that a student-non-athlete or two found his or her way into a paper class now and then did not take away from the reason why this fraud ran so deep and lived so long.
The entire goal was to keep athletes, many of them admitted despite being unable to meet the same academic standards as their peers, eligible under university and NCAA guidelines. The entire goal was to make North carolina’s athletic teams as competitive as possible by sidestepping academic constraints.
No one wants the NCAA telling universities how to teach classes. But the NCAA absolutely should be telling universities not to put its athletes in fake classes.
The Notice of Allegations that North carolina now has in hand will reveal just how serious the NCAA is about that responsibility.
http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/luke-decock/article21701703.html
Cheating Blue Ram@CheatingBlueRam
Is this the NoA timeline? (1) unc gets word on Monday NoA is coming this week?
Cheating Blue Ram @CheatingBlueRam
(2) Inside carolina publishes a story about the NCAA Process on Tuesday
Cheating Blue Ram @CheatingBlueRam
(3) NoA arrives on Tuesday. unc holds on to it.
PicklePacker @picklepacker_
@CheatingBlueRam absolutely they got it on Tuesday. in typical uncheat fashion they hold on to it until FRIDAY.
Cheating Blue Ram @CheatingBlueRam
(4) unc prompts Inside carolina to publish a story about the NCAA Dilemma AND gives them the scoop to announce the NoA arrival Friday AM
Cheating Blue Ram @CheatingBlueRam
(5) Inside carolina conveniently tweets the NoA announcement DURING the regularly scheduled BoG meeting today, Friday.
Cheating Blue Ram @CheatingBlueRam
(6) Folt briefs the BoG then rushes back to a meeting. Her calendar is public record. Who attended that meeting & what was the agenda?
Is this the NoA timeline? (1) unc gets word on Monday NoA is coming this week?
Cheating Blue Ram @CheatingBlueRam
(2) Inside carolina publishes a story about the NCAA Process on Tuesday
Cheating Blue Ram @CheatingBlueRam
(3) NoA arrives on Tuesday. unc holds on to it.
PicklePacker @picklepacker_
@CheatingBlueRam absolutely they got it on Tuesday. in typical uncheat fashion they hold on to it until FRIDAY.
Cheating Blue Ram @CheatingBlueRam
(4) unc prompts Inside carolina to publish a story about the NCAA Dilemma AND gives them the scoop to announce the NoA arrival Friday AM
Cheating Blue Ram @CheatingBlueRam
(5) Inside carolina conveniently tweets the NoA announcement DURING the regularly scheduled BoG meeting today, Friday.
Cheating Blue Ram @CheatingBlueRam
(6) Folt briefs the BoG then rushes back to a meeting. Her calendar is public record. Who attended that meeting & what was the agenda?
Kane. Something stinks...
unc gets notice from NCAA, but document not released
unc-Chapel Hill officials now know the results of a nearly yearlong investigation by the NCAA into the longstanding academic fraud that involved 3,100 students over an 18-year-period.
But the only clue the university provided about the NCAA’s findings, known as a Notice of Allegations, is that they are lengthy. unc officials declined to make the document immediately available.
In a joint statement, Chancellor Carol Folt and Athletic Director Bubba Cunningham said the university had begun reviewing the NCAA’s notice.
“We take these allegations very seriously, and we will carefully evaluate them to respond within the NCAA’s 90-day deadline,” the statement said. “The University will publicly release the NCAA’s notice as soon as possible. The notice is lengthy and must be prepared for public dissemination to ensure we protect privacy rights as required by federal and state law.”
The statement said that when the university’s review for redactions is complete, it will post the notice on the carolina Commitment website and notify the media.
“Consistent with NCAA protocols, the University cannot comment on details of the investigation until it is completed,” the statement said.
Joel Curran, a unc spokesman, said the notice would not be released Friday.
In June 2011, when the NCAA released its Notice of Allegations involving unc football players who had accepted impermissible benefits from agents and improper help from a former tutor, the university made a copy of the 42-page notice – with names redacted – available later that day.
Vow to respond ‘vigorously’
David Routh, unc’s vice chancellor for university development, said in a broadly released email to alumni and others Friday that the university will respond “vigorously.”
“Rest assured, we will vigorously pursue a fair and just outcome for the carolina community,” he wrote. “Our response to the NCAA will include context and background information necessary to present a full picture of the facts in our case. Please remember the infractions process does not conclude until the Committee on Infractions holds its hearing and issues its ruling.”
He closed by saying: “We will follow up with you when that release occurs to share points you can use in conversations with fellow alumni, colleagues, friends, neighbors and family to both inform and remind them about key facts” from unc’s perspective.
Several experts have said the academic fraud is the biggest in NCAA history.
John Fennebresque, chairman of the unc Board of Governors, said he found out about the notice on Friday. The board met Friday in Chapel Hill.
Folt, the unc chancellor, rushed past reporters at the end of that meeting, saying she had another meeting to attend.
unc will now have 90 days to respond to the Notice of Allegations. The university could rebut any aspect of the NCAA’s findings, and unc could also include any self-imposed penalties – though Cunningham, the athletic director, has said the school won’t do that.
The case would then go before the NCAA Committee on Infractions, which would decide what penalties unc would face. The committee meets several times per year, though it’s unclear when it might meet in the fall, after unc submits its response.
http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/unc/article21680193.html
WTF? Immediate release of the NOA the first time around but not now? Also...how pathetic is it that unx feels the need to provide talking points and "key facts from unx's perspective" to their supporters? Obviously , there's some ugly "facts" involved and unx wants to go ahead and provide defenses. Who's handling that task? B-Rad?
unc gets notice from NCAA, but document not released
unc-Chapel Hill officials now know the results of a nearly yearlong investigation by the NCAA into the longstanding academic fraud that involved 3,100 students over an 18-year-period.
But the only clue the university provided about the NCAA’s findings, known as a Notice of Allegations, is that they are lengthy. unc officials declined to make the document immediately available.
In a joint statement, Chancellor Carol Folt and Athletic Director Bubba Cunningham said the university had begun reviewing the NCAA’s notice.
“We take these allegations very seriously, and we will carefully evaluate them to respond within the NCAA’s 90-day deadline,” the statement said. “The University will publicly release the NCAA’s notice as soon as possible. The notice is lengthy and must be prepared for public dissemination to ensure we protect privacy rights as required by federal and state law.”
The statement said that when the university’s review for redactions is complete, it will post the notice on the carolina Commitment website and notify the media.
“Consistent with NCAA protocols, the University cannot comment on details of the investigation until it is completed,” the statement said.
Joel Curran, a unc spokesman, said the notice would not be released Friday.
In June 2011, when the NCAA released its Notice of Allegations involving unc football players who had accepted impermissible benefits from agents and improper help from a former tutor, the university made a copy of the 42-page notice – with names redacted – available later that day.
Vow to respond ‘vigorously’
David Routh, unc’s vice chancellor for university development, said in a broadly released email to alumni and others Friday that the university will respond “vigorously.”
“Rest assured, we will vigorously pursue a fair and just outcome for the carolina community,” he wrote. “Our response to the NCAA will include context and background information necessary to present a full picture of the facts in our case. Please remember the infractions process does not conclude until the Committee on Infractions holds its hearing and issues its ruling.”
He closed by saying: “We will follow up with you when that release occurs to share points you can use in conversations with fellow alumni, colleagues, friends, neighbors and family to both inform and remind them about key facts” from unc’s perspective.
Several experts have said the academic fraud is the biggest in NCAA history.
John Fennebresque, chairman of the unc Board of Governors, said he found out about the notice on Friday. The board met Friday in Chapel Hill.
Folt, the unc chancellor, rushed past reporters at the end of that meeting, saying she had another meeting to attend.
unc will now have 90 days to respond to the Notice of Allegations. The university could rebut any aspect of the NCAA’s findings, and unc could also include any self-imposed penalties – though Cunningham, the athletic director, has said the school won’t do that.
The case would then go before the NCAA Committee on Infractions, which would decide what penalties unc would face. The committee meets several times per year, though it’s unclear when it might meet in the fall, after unc submits its response.
http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/unc/article21680193.html
WTF? Immediate release of the NOA the first time around but not now? Also...how pathetic is it that unx feels the need to provide talking points and "key facts from unx's perspective" to their supporters? Obviously , there's some ugly "facts" involved and unx wants to go ahead and provide defenses. Who's handling that task? B-Rad?
I agree. The punishment should fit the crime - whatever they finally decide the crime is.
Even if you argue that UNC only got it's current crop of players because of a top reputation that they didn't deserve, that should not result in the current players being punished. Were they somehow complicit in prior bad acts? Were they somehow supposed to have known what nobody else seems to have known?
If serious punishment is warranted, cutting scholarships seems more fair. And it would hurt, because Roy needs depth for his system to do its best. K may be able to win a championship with 8 scholarship players. It's hard to see Roy doing that. Even 11 might not be enough if he's padded the bench with 2 or 3 low-ranked players - as he's been doing in recent years.
I also think that when a school is hit with serious sanctions, the current players ought to be free to transfer without having to sit out a year (unless they are shown to be complicit). In fact, even if UNC is hit with a 2016 post-season ban in January, I think those kids should be able to transfer immediately and finish the season at another school.
“Rest assured, we will vigorously pursue a fair and just outcome for the carolina community,” he wrote. “Our response to the NCAA will include context and background information necessary to present a full picture of the facts in our case. Please remember the infractions process does not conclude until the Committee on Infractions holds its hearing and issues its ruling.”
He closed by saying: “We will follow up with you when that release occurs to share points you can use in conversations with fellow alumni, colleagues, friends, neighbors and family to both inform and remind them about key facts” from unc’s perspective.
He closed by saying: “We will follow up with you when that release occurs to share points you can use in conversations with fellow alumni, colleagues, friends, neighbors and family to both inform and remind them about key facts” from unc’s perspective.
The current players should be able to bolt immediately but , as bad as some may feel for 'em , they have to pay for the sins of their alma mater. There's no other way to do it. Unfortunately , punishing the school for past indiscretions means punishing those currently playing. unx sure as heck didn't care about 'em. Paper classes? Independent study? You guys DO know that unx shipped some of these "student/athletes" to learning centers with instructions to purposely FAIL the placement tests , right? Failing those tests meant unx could apply the "learning disability" tag to those affected. That way , those players had access to services not available to everyone else. Those kids had longer to complete assignments/tests and were even allowed the assistance of a tutor DURING in-class exams. unx took specific actions to PREVENT some players from receiving anything resembling a legit college education. Heck , they were gaming their own scam. "Care about the current players?" unx didn't and ya want ME to? Sorry. Ain't happenin.' Look....unx's offenses are the worst ever recorded. Probation and scholly losses ain't gonna cut it. There has to be draconian sanctions otherwise unx ( and other schools watching! ) will just keep on keepin' on. And lest we forget...unx has absolutely REFUSED to self-sanction ANYTHING...EVER! They're not gonna self-impose post-season bans and they're damn-sure not gonna willingly vacate wins and pull down banners. They're not even gonna give themselves the scholly reductions or allow current players to leave without penalty that some here have spoken of. So I'm all ears. Tell me. Exactly WHAT sanctions will give unx pause to do this in the future?
One more thing. Everybody KNEW. Let's get that clear right now. There were no secrets about ANY of this. The clustering just switched form AFAM to COMM. Regardless , my point stands. Everyone freakin' knew. 20+ years of systemic corruption will do that.
SI...
Stephanie Haberman
I used to be in tech twitter, then I was in news twitter, now I just yell about sports all the time. Head of social media at Sports Illustrated.
Stephanie Haberman @StephLauren
Can the NCAA just give unc the death penalty now and be done with it? Why the drawn out process?
Stephanie Haberman
I used to be in tech twitter, then I was in news twitter, now I just yell about sports all the time. Head of social media at Sports Illustrated.
Stephanie Haberman @StephLauren
Can the NCAA just give unc the death penalty now and be done with it? Why the drawn out process?
Hilarious how the mighty have fallen. Those douchebags at THR are actually BRAGGING that they think they will be able to push hard and make the bottom acceptable APR. You clowns are the joke of the ACC.
"Sources close to the situation say that the football and men’s basketball program escaped allegations that would lead to the vacating of victories and (in basketball’s case) a national championship looking back and has not been charged with any violations that would result in a post-season ban and loss of scholarships moving forward."
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If true, a lot of people are going to be very unhappy.
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If true, a lot of people are going to be very unhappy.
Yeah, I just made it right after lunch. Well, I didn't make it entirely from scratch... I stole the graveyard scene (it was a war cartoon), but I changed a bunch including adding the gate, all the text, crap on bottom of shoe, etc. So, yeah, it's my pic.
OFC
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Basically that chapel boro is the only site reporting they will get away with everything not sure how believable it is.
UNC Releases Notice of Allegations to the Media.
Some photoshop ideas. Recall this movie? Noah? Drop the "H" and improvise on the posters...?
https://www.google.com/search?q=noa...=zdVgVdCuGsbjsAXTsoHoAQ&sqi=2&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAw
https://www.google.com/search?q=noa...=zdVgVdCuGsbjsAXTsoHoAQ&sqi=2&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAw
Fellas, you're all missing the big point. The punishment doesn't really matter, they've been revealed. That holier than thou BS they have been spraying for years is over. They've already absorbed quite the ass kicking with the process. They cheated, admitted it. Now we lather on the final topping with another super impressive Duke National Championship and K once again mopping up on Huckleberrys ass with the #1 recruiting class. No matter what the punishment....I'm good. 
Excellent work as always , OADD. lol Just noticed the drowning sheep. Lol.
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